Comments on: America Has Spoken http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/ Where I Live... Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:41:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brad http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-162 Brad Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:31:02 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-162 This conversation will never end... :) at least it's a civil conversation. This conversation will never end… :)

at least it’s a civil conversation.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Jonathan Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:07:16 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-157 What are you assuming that I've assumed? :) If a person understands English and grammar the documents are fairly simple to understand. What are you assuming that I’ve assumed? :) If a person understands English and grammar the documents are fairly simple to understand.

]]> By: Jon http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-154 Jon Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:01:24 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-154 Using the Bill of Rights or Declaration of Independence to make assumptions isn't how I make decisions. Using the Bill of Rights or Declaration of Independence to make assumptions isn’t how I make decisions.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-148 Jonathan Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:44:27 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-148 To Brad, we'll ignore that first part for now then. For the rest of your post, I don't believe blindly, and I realize that not everyone believes the same way that I do. If being sure of what I believe makes me closed-minded, then so be it. However, I do accept others' views and religious beliefs as their own. I choose not to believe that way because I know what God has done in my life and in my heart. As a result, my religion and my beliefs do, necessarily, play a part in my political opinions. To Jon, it is America's past that has made it as strong a nation as it is today. If our forefathers hadn't stood up for what they believed in, we would still be under Britain's rule, hardly free. And, what part of "the right of the -people- to keep and bear arms" doesn't make sense? If we want to look at the entirety of the amendment, the militia, in context of the same amendment, was there to keep the government from infringing on our rights. And I'll say again, that the 2nd Amendment isn't there to provide for a militia, or anything of the sort in the first place. It is there to protect -existing- rights. That's also where the 9th Amendment comes in again, which I've already provided the text for in a previous comment. Other rights not mentioned in the Bill of Rights are protected as well. Going back to the Declaration of Independence, which again I understand is not law, but does still set the tone for the Bill of Rights, we have the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. If I have the right to life, I certainly have the right to defend it. To Brad, we’ll ignore that first part for now then. For the rest of your post, I don’t believe blindly, and I realize that not everyone believes the same way that I do. If being sure of what I believe makes me closed-minded, then so be it. However, I do accept others’ views and religious beliefs as their own. I choose not to believe that way because I know what God has done in my life and in my heart. As a result, my religion and my beliefs do, necessarily, play a part in my political opinions.

To Jon, it is America’s past that has made it as strong a nation as it is today. If our forefathers hadn’t stood up for what they believed in, we would still be under Britain’s rule, hardly free.

And, what part of “the right of the -people- to keep and bear arms” doesn’t make sense? If we want to look at the entirety of the amendment, the militia, in context of the same amendment, was there to keep the government from infringing on our rights.

And I’ll say again, that the 2nd Amendment isn’t there to provide for a militia, or anything of the sort in the first place. It is there to protect -existing- rights. That’s also where the 9th Amendment comes in again, which I’ve already provided the text for in a previous comment. Other rights not mentioned in the Bill of Rights are protected as well.

Going back to the Declaration of Independence, which again I understand is not law, but does still set the tone for the Bill of Rights, we have the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. If I have the right to life, I certainly have the right to defend it.

]]> By: Jon http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-147 Jon Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:15:53 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-147 Yes, and I don't like what I've researched. Much of the US's past is pretty sad. BTW, is this what is meant by the second amendment? http://flickr.com/photos/jcn/110271152/ My thought on keeping guns... MAKE A MILITIA. The second amendment was intended for just that, not for stockpiling weapons, armed robbery, personal protection, etc. I do keep a gun for personal protection btw, but I don't believe that was the intent of the amendment. ...and about the Declaration, yes, it is ignored and has been since it was initially written. The pursuit of happiness part especially... :(. Taxes, government, etc are a necessary evil of large groups of "free" people. My opinion, somewhat. Yes, and I don’t like what I’ve researched. Much of the US’s past is pretty sad.

BTW, is this what is meant by the second amendment? http://flickr.com/photos/jcn/110271152/

My thought on keeping guns… MAKE A MILITIA. The second amendment was intended for just that, not for stockpiling weapons, armed robbery, personal protection, etc. I do keep a gun for personal protection btw, but I don’t believe that was the intent of the amendment.

…and about the Declaration, yes, it is ignored and has been since it was initially written. The pursuit of happiness part especially… :( . Taxes, government, etc are a necessary evil of large groups of “free” people. My opinion, somewhat.

]]> By: Brad http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-146 Brad Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:12:50 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-146 Remove my first sentence and the rest of my comment still stands... You said that America has turned away from God but I think that is a very close minded view because not all of America believes the same as you. Remove my first sentence and the rest of my comment still stands… You said that America has turned away from God but I think that is a very close minded view because not all of America believes the same as you.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-145 Jonathan Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:59:40 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-145 Have you actually researched the history of separation of church and state? :) Have you actually researched the history of separation of church and state? :)

]]> By: Brad http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-144 Brad Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:55:55 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-144 Separation of Church and State. Not everyone believes that electing a President has anything to do with God. Also, not everyone believes in God. I find it so funny that people can't keep religion to themselves and that those who do believe in something blindly think that everyone believes in the same thing... This is a VERY diverse county, not only race but religious beliefs as well. Separation of Church and State. Not everyone believes that electing a President has anything to do with God. Also, not everyone believes in God. I find it so funny that people can’t keep religion to themselves and that those who do believe in something blindly think that everyone believes in the same thing… This is a VERY diverse county, not only race but religious beliefs as well.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-143 Jonathan Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:55:44 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-143 I realize the Declaration isn't law. But you can't ignore it when you look for the tone that the writers of the Bill of Rights had - again, mostly the same writers/signers of the Declaration. In other words, rights aren't 'granted' to a truly free people. They can't be if they're already free. Consider the text of the first two amendments: --- * First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. * Second Amendment – Right to keep and bear arms. A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. --- No laws will be made that infringe or abridge our rights. If the amendments granted those rights, the wording would be entirely different. I realize the Declaration isn’t law. But you can’t ignore it when you look for the tone that the writers of the Bill of Rights had – again, mostly the same writers/signers of the Declaration.

In other words, rights aren’t ‘granted’ to a truly free people. They can’t be if they’re already free. Consider the text of the first two amendments:
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* First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

* Second Amendment – Right to keep and bear arms.

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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No laws will be made that infringe or abridge our rights. If the amendments granted those rights, the wording would be entirely different.

]]> By: Jon http://www.lifeonsnowhill.com/2008/11/america-has-spoken/comment-page-1/#comment-142 Jon Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:45:29 +0000 http://www.jdsnow.net/?p=284#comment-142 Unfortunately, the Declaration of Independence isn't law, its just a Declaration. I feel that I should also follow up that comment with, I fly a flag at my desk at work and I'm working on getting a nice flagpole up at home :). Unfortunately, the Declaration of Independence isn’t law, its just a Declaration.

I feel that I should also follow up that comment with, I fly a flag at my desk at work and I’m working on getting a nice flagpole up at home :) .

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